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Hello from a newby -

A story, to which I had an input, has been listed about the above Lancaster and the pilot Jimmy Lyon and My Uncle Bob (navigator).
Can anyone tell me what happened to EE136 to cause it to be so damaged and sent off to a Fire training station?

My Uncle Bobbie said he had heard that an Australian crew had put her down on a Decoy airfield and broke her up a bit.
If this story is true, how did the crew fare?
I have wondered about this for a long time and have worried about it too.

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Hello Manxix,

At this point, unable to find details relating to the incident, however .........

These details come from the book 'Avro Lancaster - The Definitive Record
( 2nd Edition ) by Larry Holmes.

Page 195, EE136 9 Squadron ( WS-R) May 43 - Oct 44, Named The Spirt of Russia. 189 Squadron Oct 44, 1659 Heavy Conversion Unit, Became 4918M at No1RS. ........... 109 Operations

regards,
John

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Thanks John, and if you ever find anything else....?

Philbiggrin

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Pictured on pg. 154 of Garbett & Goulding's "Lancaster At War II" in December of 1944,  BIII EE136 was photograhed when with No. 189 Squadron RAF Fulbeck and coded CA-R.
 
She had completed 93 Ops (beginning May of 1943) with No. 9 Squadron.  EE136 tallied 109 ops to her credit then was retired to 1659 HCU.  Finally grounded she became a ground instruction airframe at No. 1 Radio School and was eventually dumped for firefighting practise at the RAF's Fire School Sutton-On-Hull.  The picture of her noseart was apparently taken in Jan. of 1954 at the Fire School.

Sorry this doesn't add much else to what you already know

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biggrinR Fulford

Thankyou also for your assistance.

Anyone else please?

I really want to get to the bottom of this, even if turns out to be the result of a line-shoot.


-- Edited by manxix at 17:19, 2009-02-09

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I would query the idea of the "decoy" airfield, certainly in the middle to later stages of the war.  Yes there were decoy airfields, the two main types being "K" and "Q" types.  The former were simulated "day" airfields, ie they had to be sufficiently well constructed so that attacking German bombers would be fooled by their appearance and as such involved some cutting down of trees, clearing of hedges, simulation of roads, buildings etc, but they were phased out by the end of 1942.  The  "Q" type were "night" airfields to fool intruders trying to attack Bomber Command bases at night but they simply involved series of lights on poles to simulate a flightpath: as such they were very successful but there was no clearance of obstacles, trees etc because it wasn't necessary in the night-time deception.
I think it's probably true to say that most decoy airfields were close to actual airfields, or their satellites - a safer place to try a landing!!!  I think it's a line-shoot!
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Max

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Max

Thank you for the information, your "Q" type airfields would seem to fit the bill.

The "gen" was that the "Australian" crew mistook the decoy enough to land and smash up poor "old" EE136.

If this strip was in the vicinity and the crew was not very familiar with the area !

Also could be that the real runway lights had been switched off with a "bogie" in the circuit".

Most bomber squadrons were, after all, night flying squadrons.

Do you think that there might be records of anything like this?
If so, I wonder who keeps the records and where?

Phil

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Phil,
Decoy airfields had a minimal crew manning them, usually only 2 or 3 blokes sitting in a shelter all day/night long....you can imagine how happy they would be feeling!  "Q" airfields were gradually shut down as the war progressed such that by June 1944 they were only "operational" in the south-east of England and post D-Day they too were closed.  I don't know when your incident occurred but the timing may be critical in deciding whether the story is true or apocryphal.  Records of such an accident would be with the squadron ORBs I'm sure.
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Max

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Hi all, after a long interval.
I've been posting some info regarding IOM airfields on airfieldinformationexchange.org which has taken up my time.
I will now try and attach a photo of my Uncle Bob's IX squadron crew.
Names - back row L to R
Ken Pack, Jimmy Lyon (pilot), Hank Jeffrey, Alec Fielding.
front row
Alf Denyer, Bob (Corky), Clegg (first name not known-rear gunner)
Dog ???

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Try this one.
EE136 in her first guise as Spirit of Russia, WS-R
in IX Squadron and, at their insistence, NOT 9 Squadron!
IX liked to lord it over 617, (known as 6/7 squadron)



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Hi Phil

Just want to say thanks for posting this picture of the Spirit of Russia crew.

'Jimmy' Lyon is my Grandfather and, given the circumstances of his death before my father was born, we unfortunately have very few mementos.

As far as I know, we don't have this photo and it certainly is a very welcome addition to the collection that I have been trying to gather over the years in order to better my knowledge of him.

I like to think that this photo really represents both the character of the individual crew members and the camaraderie between them that would have developed within such a short period of time and under the pressure of not knowing what the next day could bring. What a wonderful way to remember these brave men.

Please let me know if you have any other photos or information about the Spirit of Russia and its crew.

Once again, many thanks!

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Hi Jimmy Lyons Grandson!
I tried to contact your dad  (I was given an address in Spain?)when I wrote the tribute to Jimmy on this site,under the Airmens story section-"But for a few minutes more".
 During the course of my research on this really sad story,I came across Phil  (Manxix)  who was kind enough to send some 9 Squadron photo's,which also enabled his Uncle Bob to go up on the 9 Squadron Gallery.
Bruce Blanche (Jimmy's nephew)was the one  who actually  gave me all the info and extra photo's for the story,so feel free to e mail me.

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Oops-That last posting  should have come up as from myself (Linda)

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Hi Phil-

This photo and others  that you sent to me a while ago,are due to be added but I needed to find out  a bit more about them like their ranks. etcetera

Matt has posted Hank Jeffery (he seems to smile in every photo),on the 97 Squadron gallery,as sadly he was later to lose his life.

He has added one of the photo's that you sent- to Hanks write up
I haven't managed to trace any  other crew members ,apart from your uncle!

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Here's a nice one for you Linda.
Who? What is he (apart from a W.O. and aircrew, from the whistle hung from the lapel) What is he doing.

My guess is that he is on a memorial garden somewhere and, as this is in Bobbie's scrap-book, at Bardney or East Kirkby.


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Hi there!

I was very interested to read about your grandfather Jimmy Lyon.

I have been researching Hank Jeffery, his bomb aimer in Spirit of Russia.

I got to know Hank's mother very well when I worked at the school he had attended before the war.

She told me that he always spoke very highly of 'Tiger' Lyon as she called him.

I don't know if you knew that Hank was shot down over the Channel at dawn on D Day with one of the most highly decorated crews of the war. They had been taking out the gun emplacement covering Utah and Omaha beaches but were shot down by an FW 190 at 0502 - all of the crew being lost. This was his 4th operation of his second tour.

I would be very interested to learn what more you know about your grandfather's war service.

Many thanks,

Ian Goodall


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To Jimmy Lyons grandson.

I had a long exchange with Melanie ? in Australia regarding Jimmy.

Would you believe that I have lost EVERYTHING of this correspondence.I'm devastated.
Any chance of you contacting her for me Please.

Have a good year and everyone who reads this.

Phil

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Robertian

I will try and send or attach or post some shots of Hank, some include other bods, some you will already have seen.

Phil

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Hi Phil

These candid photos of Hank Jeffery and the Spirit of Russia crew are great!

Thanks so much for posting them, as I think that they really show the true character of the individual members and the close relationships they had with each other, despite all of the worries that they must have been going through.

It is really special to know the crew had that support (and time for a bit of a laugh) during this period.

Keep them coming!

Mel

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Hi Spirit136 ,

have just read this post via an internet search so decided to join the forum. My Grandfather Plt Officer Tom Gill was also a pilot at Bardney from it's opening to 6/9/43 when he and his crew failed to return, sadly all were lost. They flew twenty ops all together, their regular aircraft was ED666, WS-G he also piloted another 6 Lanc's including W4964 which he flew on five occasions. Like yourself Spirit he was killed just prior to my Mother being born but we are fortunate to have some pictures of him and his crew taken during their time at Bardney.

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Hi Merlin28

Many apologies for not responding to you earlier. I'm very sorry to hear about your grandfather passing in such similar circumstances to my own. Although we, and our parents, would not have been there to remember it, it is certainly an event that remains in the thoughts of family members through the generations. I am glad, however, that you have the photos to keep those thoughts alive for many years to come. I hope that you may be able to find more to add to the collection, as I have, through the kindness of others. If possible, I, and I'm sure others, would be very interested to see those photos of your grandfather. Best wishes and thank you so much for your message. Spirit136.



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Hi there,

My son in law sent me this link as my Uncle Harry Jeffery, 'Hank' to his friends, is in the pictures you have posted. A few years ago, we were

contacted by an aviation archaeologist in France, who had unearthed my Uncle's Lancaster Bomber on sadly, what was his final mission. He

was on a secret raid with a hand picked decorated crew, and we took our mother, to France to pay our last respects as she never knew where

his plane had come down. Sadly, no remains were found but because it was on D Day, there was mayhem everywhere and it is possible the

crew were buried where they were found or in a nearby cemetery. My mother is still alive and well and Harry was her brother. We have

photographs and some information you may find of interest as we still have Harry's flying log.     The dog belonged to Uncle Harry, and Harry

snuck him on board on some bombing raids; his name was Whisky. Please reply if any of this is of interest to you.

Kind regards,

Sue Kennedy  



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Hi Sue,

i was very interested to read your post re Hank Jeffery.

I got to know your mum when I arranged for Harrys  name to be added to the war memorial at Southall County School - for some reason it had been left off.

Your mum was really chuffed when I brought her over to see his name on the board, even if it was about 40 years too late!

I would love to see  Harrys log book.

best wishes,

Ian Goodall

ian128@yahoo.com



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