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Anyone out there with queries about 166 squadron,particularly family members with connections to this squadron,I would be happy to help.

25 years of research into the squadron means I should be able to answer most questions about aircrew who served with them.Best Wishes,B



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Thanks Barnsley, that's a generous offer.

If you require any information on Sgt/F.Sgt SWG Neighbour and crew, who were on the squadron for the last part of 1943 then I'd be happy to oblige.

I have three photos taken at Kirmington and also the logbook of Sgt (B/A) LC Pillinger including the entries for 166 Sqn.

Regards

Mike 



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hello Grandad was with the 166 latter part of the war 44-45 P/O Stanley Mackenzie M/U his pilot was a New zealander

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Hi Mike,we are already in touch,Im down in the west country!



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My Father was a pilot of Lancaster bomber 'L for Love'  166 squadron, Kirmington 1943.

Walter Oakman John (Oakie) Walker from Auckland, New Zealand. If anyone has any info I would be grateful if they might contact me. I have names of crew members also.

Many thanks,

David O. Walker

email: bandaroo22@gmail.com



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Can you help? I'm looking for information regarding my wife's fathers best friend who served at Raf Kirmington up until 3rd April 1943 when he was shot down somewhere over Northern France and killed. His name was Jack Stock and he was born in Oldham and lived with his mother on Manchester Road in the town. He wrote to my wife's father on the 30th March 1943 to say he was getting married in two weeks time, as my wife's father was best man. That was the last letter he wrote. He was a wireless operator and flew the Wellington bombers. Any information about him at all would be much appreciated. He was due to marry a girl called Dorothy who we think also worked as ground crew. Any information on her would be nice. Sorry don't have a surname for her.

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Alan,

Although the 166sqdn ORB does not show NCO postings, one of the crew on their first op in February 43 was a Pilot Officer, and the ORB shows him as coming from 142sqdn on 27/01/43. So on a hunch, i looked in the 142sqdn ORB, and have found Jack Stock in one of the crews.

 As this is Barnsley's thread, i'll leave the 166 info to him, but i will look at the 142 ORB for details of Jacks ops with them.

Alan.



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Dear Alan, thanks for your enquiry. Jack stock was the Wireless Operator in the crew of Sgt Arthur Radbourne RAF. Stock came from Shaw in lancashire. The rest of the crew were ;Sgt Aldridge,Sgt Carter and Sgt Luscombe.All were killed .Only Radbourne was found and he is buried at Moelan-Sur- Mer cemetry,south west of Quimperle in France.The others are commemorated on the Runnymede memorial.The aircraft, Wellington HE 631 was coded AS-V, was on a minelaying operation when lost.

Do you have a photo of Sgt Stock?

Email me on MJc41Uk at YahOO dot CO dot  Uk (all lower case) for additional info

Thanks to Alan as well for the additional info in his post. Can you tell us if the whole crew came from 142 Squadron?

Best wishes

Barnsley



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Hi Barnsley,

Thanks for your kind offer , i was wondering if you had any info on any of my late Dad's flights, previous to the one he was shot down on.

Sgt A.C Smith, Navigator

Last flight aboard LancasterMk.III  JA865, Shot down 24/11/43

Any info would be great,thanks Clive.



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Thanks Barnsley 

I sure could do with some help in finding  any information about a relative who sadly lost his life in ww11.

If can help with any information on  RONALD GEORGE HENRY KIRK Who was in 166 squadron in Kirmington. I do know he was killed  at Belleville -Sur-Mer France  28 june 1944 ,Ron was Sgt.

If  you or anyone can help  with any information it will be so greatfully received

Many Thanks  

kaz



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Hi Regarding the crew of Wellington bomber He631 AS-V, SGT Henry Radbourne was my great uncle (I have a picture) I would be interested in any information you might have about him, his crew and their last mission, Please. Any help would be great fully received. Also I have been contacted by a lady in France who lives in the Moelan-sur-Mer area and is a member of the local military medal society. Who is currently up grading Arthur's grave and hopes to hold a ceremony for him next veterans day. She is very interested in contacting any relatives of the whole crew. If anyone is interested I will provide her email address Cheers Chris

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HI Chris,email me direct,Ive put my address on your white board.I will see what info I have.
Barnsley

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About the crash of the WELLINGTON X  HE 631  AS-V, 3rd april 1943, off the coast of Brittany.

Hello Barnsley,

I am a retired Air France cabin crew and the lady in Moëlan-sur-Mer, Brittany, "Croweater" told you about shortly.

I found Sgt Arthur RADBOURNE's decaying grave in our communal cemetry last Remembrance day 2011 (11.11.2011). As a member of a local Veteran's association (on behalf of my father who is a WWII veteran) I advised the President of this association. (He is a retired Submarine Officer). He was the one to decide of an official Commemoration Ceremony on next year's Victory Day, May the 8th 2013, because we need much time to get hold of as much information material as possible.

After months of painstaking research, I "landed" on the "Findagrave" website showing a photo of Sergeant Radbourne + a virtual flowers page where his great nephew had left 2 messages.  That is how I got in touch with him and could find many useful information concerning Arthur RADBOURNE.

Though, in order to treat all members of this crew on an equal basis, we must find out a minimum of information relating to the four other young men, possibly a photo of each of them :

They were : Eric William ALDRIDGE,  Obs/M, 32 years old //  Wallace CARTER, Nav/B, age unknown  //  Thomas LUSCOMBE, Mit, 22 years old // 

 Arthur Henry RADBOURNE, Pilot, (the only information about him was his service number : 1385949, until we found out more via his family) //  Jack STOCK, Rad/M, age unknown.

I found some information about them on the french site (english version available) :

 "France-Crashes 39-45".  (fiche n° 3702)

I'm aware you can't have all records. I received a letter from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission suggesting I write to the R.A.F. HISTORICAL BRANCH  in   RUISLIP.

I will do that, "Croweater" (with whom I have regular contacts) knows it, too. If I can obtain any useful information about this crew, their flight datas (we look for their flying path trying to figure out where they have been shot down in order to try and locate the WELLINGTON wreck) I will path them on to you.  

I have been contacted by Malcolm BALDWIN, Secretary of the R.A.F. Birmingham Branch Newsletter, who will publish this rather incredible story when it is written ; for the time being, I am still investigating eye-witnesses of the dramatic but "colorfull" 1943 events here in Moëlan, where the local population defied in mass the Germans and gave poor Sergeant RADBOURNE a beautiful burial ceremony.

I will tell you when this story is published in the Birmingham newsletter.

Thank you for your patience,

Blackforest ... is the place where I was born.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Hello,bonjour Blackforest,

thank you for your wonderful email.Contact me on MJC41UK at YAHOO DOT CO DOT UK.I will do what I can to help you and send you copies of the 166 squadron operations book. I have a photo of Luscombe (from his brother many years ago-- but I will see if he is still alive).

As you know the aircraft crashed in the sea off the Isle de Croix. Best Wishes

Barnsley



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Dear Clive,Ive written a message on your white board.Please get in touch.Did you know his pilot had flown Wellingtons with 166 in 1943 but was taken of ops due to sickness.When he had recovered he returned to 166 to fly Lancasters. Cheers,barnsley

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My uncle, Lionel Reginald Castellari was posted missing in action on 11/4/43. He was the wireless operator/air gunner in Wellington BK464 that was shot down over Le Harvre. I would appreciate any assistance in enabling me to obtain a photograph of him and his crew.



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Hi Barnsley

My uncle, Lionel Reginald Castellari was posted missing in action on 11/4/43. He was the wireless operator/air gunner in Wellington BK464 that was shot down over Le Harvre. I would appreciate any assistance in enabling me to obtain a photograph of him and his crew.



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Dear Steven,thanks for your enquiry.Email me direct on MJC41Uk at YaHOO doT Co Dot Uk (all lower case) and I will see what info I can help you with including the ORB entries.In the meantime your relative was lost with all his crew in Wellington BK464 during the Frankfurt raid of 10/11.4.43.They took of from Kirmington at 23:21 hours and nothing further was heard from them.The crew were;
Sgt P.Hall Pilot
Sgt J.Edwards
Sgt H.Elliott
Sgt E.Peakck

Cheers
B



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Hi, My uncle , Sgt. Joseph Carter was the Flight Eng on LM581 shot down near Epe, Holland. I am visiting his grave this August. Are there any accounts of this operation or photos of this crew.  Any help much appreciated.

Email: lynnegooch26@hotmail.com



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Dear Lynne,thank you for your post.Your relative was the F.E in the crew of P/O Trevor Wilmot Boyce RNZAF.The crew took off at 22.38 hours from Kirmington on the 12 June 1944 to attack Gelsenkirchen.They were shot down by a nightfighter.There were no survivors.166 lost 2 crews that night.P/O Boyce and crew had been on 166 squadron since May 1944. If you care to email me direct on MJc41Uk at YAhoO Dot CO DOT Uk ( all lower case) I will see if I have any further info.

Best Wishes,B



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Hi Barnsley, thank you for your offer. I am looking for photographs of the following crewmembers of the Lancaster ND956 which belonged to RAF 166 Sqn which crashed in the night of 21-22 may 1944 near the dutch village Goudriaan, Holland. It concerns photo's of Flt.Sgt. Trevor Gordon Franklin from Nottingham, UK; Sgt. James Kiltie fromMaybole, Ayrshire, UK and Sgt. B.F. Bird who became a POW, no further details known. The photo's will be used for a memorial at Goudriaan which is being made ay he moment for these bravery crewmembers.  T.I.A.

Corin



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Hi Corin,sorry for the delay in replying.Im not sure I can help you (and I think I have alreadt been contacted by 2 people in the Netherlands) but email me direct on MjC41Uk at YaHOO DOt Co DOT uK (all lower case) and I will see what I have.B



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Message from "Black forest" to Alan :

A first British Commemoration ceremony for Sergeant Arthur RADBOURNE  and  HIS  FOUR  CREWMATES  was held last september 6, 2012 at the communal cemetery of Moëlan-sur-Mer.

It was led by Royal British Legion Chairman Rodney CURTIS. The funeral oration was prepared and read by Wing Commander Gordon RAYFIELD. The name of Jack STOCK, as well as the three other crews were insistently honored.

About 40 British persons, many of them from the R.A.F.  (retired, living in the close region) attended this very moving ceremony, in the presence of Sergeant RADBOURNE's nephew, from Australia.

You can access the private photo report on the following site : (if you have the right software program !)

www.scaviner-photo.com

Identifiant : CS28-060912

Mot de passe : RADBOURNE

The Military Medal's Section in Moëlan-sur-Mer is now desperately looking for a photo of these four other young men. Any chance (possibility ?) you would have one of Jack ?

 

 

 

 



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Thanks for the message Black Forest.Best wishes,barnsley



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Hi,my grandad,Alan pea****,served with 166 squadron and was a rear gunner. I think he served from 1944-45. Unfortunatly my grandad passed away in 1984 and I've been told that most of the crew he served with are no longer with us.
I was wondering if anyone knows of the names of the crew he served with and some of the bombing raids etc he took part in and what Lancaster he was in. I do know for a fact he was involved in operation manna.
Any info will be gratefully recieved.
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Simonj

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I'm sorry,I make it shorter,his name is Alan peacck. Why its done that in the above post i don't know!

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Hello ,

Can someone help me with info/pictures of the crew off Wellington HF-595 lost over Belgium on july 1943 .

S/L Cookson Arthur Alan

Pilot 40984      RAF 

 F/Sgt Clark James Crichton  DFM

Navigator  1343392   RAF          

F/Sgt Scarlett William  DFM

Bombaimer  1027850      RAF          

P/O Rich Ronald Stanley

W/Ops-Gunner  139952   RAF          

W/O II Pym William Harold

Gunner  R/99568            RCAF

 

Regards

Moonsmile

         



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Simon and MOON,thanks for your post.Email me direct on MJc41UK At YaHOO Dot Co Dot uk (all lower case).I will see if can help!B



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Barnsley Hello, wondered if I can ask you about 166 and my father, Mike Vickerman who was navigator on the jock Lawson crew (A flight, U- uniform , 'Lucky Seven', NG115). Wondered if you could tell me anything about that crew, other members or relatives etc ? My understanding is that he joined 166 but not sure if thisw was straight from training or via another squadron - I am pretty sure the entire crew went on to 9 squadron as Pathfinders as I believe they picked entire crews for the role. He also flew with 97 sqdn but not sure in what sequence. At end of WW2 Europe, he was assigned to Tiger Force, and ended up in India at RAF Salbani when the war finally ended, and stayed there for around 6mths before return and demob. Grateful for any light shed, or any photos - I do have a copy of the 'Lucky Seven' which is in photobucket, but if any others are around woudl be good to hear. rgds John



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Hi John,we have previously been in touch via another forum.B

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Barnsley,

I am trying to determine what happened to Lancaster NG391 from the 166 Squadron, lost 1-2 February 1945 on a mission to Ludwigshaven Three of the crew were captured, Pilot: D M Smithers, E A Bradshaw and R D Story, Four of the crew are buried next to each other in Durnbach War Cemetery, John Desmond Craig, Sydney Willis, Jack Allman and Bernard Charles Long. There is information that Craig was initially buried in Leutershausen, Germany which is a long way east of Ludwigshaven. Do you know the full names of the three captured airmen, any details of where the plane actually crashed and exactly what happened that night?

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RSwank

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Hello ,

 

According to the book Nagjagd War Diaries by Dr Theo Boiten and Roderick J Mckenzie there are three possible places were NG391 came down , Ludwigshaven , Mannheim and south east of Mannheim after being shot down by a nightfighter from NJG6 between 1920 and 1930 hrs

 

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Moon, Thanks for the reply.

So the plane was most likely one of these (4?).

Helmuth Schulte, Stab II./NJG6, Lancaster 19:30, Mannheim
Peter Spoden, StabII./NJG6, Lancaster 19:34, SW Mannheim
Johannes Engels, Stab II./NJG6, Lancaster 19:20, Mannheim
Gerhard Freidrich, Stab I./NJG6, Lancaster 19:20, Ludwigshafen

What prompts part of the mystery is this link:

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-post-21051.html

which has Craig first interred in Leutershausen (written incorrectly as "Leuterschausen") here (search for 5th Craig on page).

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic641.html

Leutershausen is near Nuremburg. Since the Germans generally buried dead crew members close to the "crash site", this lead to questions about what happened. I wonder where the other 3 crew members were first interred?

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http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic641.html

http://home.cogeco.ca/~dswallow4/GraveLocationW.htm

 

Have wondered about Sgt J D Craig 3021187 of Lancaster NG391 as well. I figured there either are several more Leutershausen throughout Germany, or Chorley was not correct in reporting the mission to Ludwigshafen, which instead might have been a mission to Nürnberg.

 

[This is my first post here. I live near the Durnbach War Cemetery, and have several relatives buried there. I have collected quite a catalog of stories. There are 2586 air crew from 502 crashes. I can answer a lot of Durnbach questions, and I have a lot of Durnbach questions.]

Regards, Anthony Whitworth aka fritzelblitz


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I can confirm the target was Ludwigschafen that night, from the 166sqdn ORB. Consideration must be given to the fact that there may be a possibility that the information as to the burial of Craig at Leutershausen could be wrong.



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Actually Ludwigshafen is most likely correct and so is Leutershausen. The Leutershausen is question would be the eastern part of a community called Hirschberg.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirschberg_an_der_Bergstraße

A scant 10-15 miles east of Ludwigshafen. 

   http://www.lostaircraft.com/database.php?lang=en&e=12135&mode=viewentry



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Fritzelblitz, Thanks for the clarification on Leutershausen. That location would make sense for the original internment. I wonder if the other crewmen were also first buried there and that is the area of the crash, I would suspect so.

I still don't know the full names of the three survivors, D M Smithers, E A Bradshaw and R D Story and whether or not there is any record of their post war statements on exactly what happened that night.

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Hi, I have been asked by my uncle to try and find some more information on SGT Joseph Read 1804245, who was in squadron 166. He received the Distinguished Flying Medal on Jan 19th 1945 but we would really like to know what this was for and also any other information either about him or about the squadron at the time.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Thanks

 



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Hello, Joseph Read was a Flight Engineer in the crew of Johnny Double.Posted in to 166 Squadron 29.3.44 and went on to complete a Tour of operations.The DFM was a non immediate award (in other words for a sustained period of service rather than a single incident-although the pilot got the DFC for 2 operations in July 1944)They were posted out in Nov 1944.Email me direct on MJC41uK At YAhoo DOT CO Dot Uk (all Lower case).I can send you so info from the Operations record book and may have copy of the DFM recommendation.Do you have any photos of Sgt Read ?B



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I am trying to gather information of service with 166 Squadron of my relative Ernest Kenyon, RAF 642691, who served with 166 Squadron between 17th July 1943 and 27th November 1943. Details of aircrews served with and operations, and any photographs if there are available. His sister, Eileen, is keen to find out before she passes away. Ernest was KIA on 2nd March 1944 in service with 156 Squadron. 

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.



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Hello sawdust,

http://www.lostaircraft.com/database.php?lang=en&e=525&mode=viewentry

http://www.156squadron.com/display_crews.asp?pCrewid=1334

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2102118/

http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/2008700/DURNBACH%20WAR%20CEMETERY

Lancaster III ND446 GT-P was airborne 23:57 on 1 Mar 1944 from Warboys. Shot down by a night-fighter and crashed at Hausen, 24 km S of Tübingen, where the entire crew was initially buried. They since have been reinterred in the Dürnbach War Cemetery.

Sgt. Ernest Kenyon, Mid Up AG, 642691, DURNBACH WAR CEMETERY, Coll. grave 4. H. 17-19.

I'll be visiting there on Remembrance Day. Would be glad to pay my respects and send you a picture of the grave then.

With kind regards, Anthony Whitworth aka fritzelblitz



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Chris,

Ernest Kenyon flew with 166, 460 and finally 156. I have the ORB's for these squadrons, and will send you scans of any pages that list him and his crew. As far as i can see at the moment, he flew eleven ops with 166, five with 460, and five with 156. Have also found a combat report for him in the 166sqdn Appendices.

Alan.



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AW wrote:

Chris,

Ernest Kenyon flew with 166, 460 and finally 156. I have the ORB's for these squadrons, and will send you scans of any pages that list him and his crew. As far as i can see at the moment, he flew eleven ops with 166, five with 460, and five with 156. Have also found a combat report for him in the 166sqdn Appendices.

Alan.



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Hello Sawdust,thank you for your post on my thread. My hobby is researching 166 squadron and I have been doing it for 25 years.I am hoping to produce a reference book in due course.I see an number of people have jumped in to help you so you may have all the information you need.However the material I have doesnt just come from the official sources so if you would like to contact me directly I will have a look. email mjc41UK at YaHOo DOT CO doT Uk (all lower case).Best Wishes,B.



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Hello, I am looking for any info or photos of HE923 and its crew. My great uncle was Flight Sgt. George Armstrong, tail gunner. ted.yeomans@aandc.gc.ca Thank you.

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Hello Ted,thank you for your post on the Bomber crew website.
Your relative was the tail gunner in the following crew;
 
F/Andrew Peter Uditsky RCAF Pilot
F/Sgt Ernest Nixon Moore RCAF Air Bomber
F/Sgt John Theo Macksimchuck RCAF Navigator
Sgt Thomas Alexander Stuart Buchan RAFVR Wireless Operator/Air Gunner
Aircraft alledgedly shot down by OFW Karl Heinz Scherfling of 10 or 4 NJG1.It crashed at approx 01.50 hrs between Houten and Schalkwijk.Other reports say a/c brought down by Flak (and finnished off by fighter).
All crew killed and buried Vlagtwedde.
Aircraft code AS-'P Peter'.
Do you have a photo of Sgt Armstrong? I can send you some copies of the 166 Ops book.I am researching a reference book on 166.


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I'm researching my great-uncle - P.O. Stanley Mackenzie - for a television project. He had previously served as a mid-upper gunner

with the 'Berlin Kid' - Roger Coulombe CREW - 426 Thunderbird Squadron RCAF - 6 Group, but I believe finished his RAF career with 166 Squadron

as a navigator. Just trying to clarify this and his possible participation in the bombing of Berchesgaten and the Dutch relief drops.

All assistance greatly appreciated.

 

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David Mackenzie

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Hello David,thank you for your email.I think another relative of PO Mackenzie may have already been in touch with me. Flying Officer S.C.Mackenzie was the Mid Upper Gunner in the Addison crew and did fly on the Bertchesgarten raid at the end of April 45.Look further up the posts on this thread and you will see one from Stansgrandson.

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Alan,

This is a "check e-mail" from Blackforest to make sure you do get my message. (I am not bilingual, so, sorry if my english "sounds" funny !)

I'm also researching infos, details,  POSSIBLY  A  PHOTO  of Jack STOCK, as I belong to a Franco-British group of people in Moëlan-sur-Mer who "work" on the crash of the Wellington Bomber in which jack STOCK was shot down with the whole crew on april 3rd 1943, the pilot being Sergeant Arthur RADBOURNE.

I have some non negligeable infos partly from Sgt Radbourne's family, partly form Barnsley (ORB  166 squadron) 

We (re)discovered Sgt R. 's decaying grave just one year ago, on Remembrance day 2011.  Since then, the grave has been up-graded, a plate reminds the names of the four other crews. The Municipality is offering a heritage board to recall their story. This is one of the reasons why we are desperately trying to gather information material about these five young men, to tell their story and get them out of this anonimity (hence, the need of a photo) and senseless death. 

I'll attach three elements to this e-mail, provided they are not too big. Otherwise, I'll send a separate mail extra. 

Hope you'll be interested, 

Best regards

Dominique JURAY (retired Air France Flight Attendant)P1020886.JPG

 



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request for info on sgt thomas henry luscombe 166 sqn 1943. I am acting on behalf of his family who live in my village, who i have known for many years, but has just been brought to my attention by his nephew that his uncle served on 166 sqn and was lost on april 3, 1943.



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