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I am trying to find more information about my uncle, Roy Dabnor of 102 Squadron.
He was a Wireless Operator/Airgunner in Halifax DY-K LW333 and was killed in a collision with a 77 Squadron Halifax KN-K on return from a raid on Berlin. 
As I have already seen in one thread there has been some discussion about the use of aircraft tail letters as call signs; I was told as a young boy by my Grandmother that this accident was caused by air traffic giving an aircraft permission to land using only the tail letter K, both aircarft turned into the Pocklington circuit and collided killing all 14 crew. (This is her story not necessarily the true cause of the accident)  
I have a photo of my Uncle with his crew and I also have his logbook. I have been able to trace his tragically short RAF career from his first training flight through to the end of October 1943. His logbook does not show any further flights in November 1943
There is some controversy as to his rank at the time of his death as he and at least two of the other crew members went for commisions and he was buried in Knockholt, Kent as Pilot Officer R A Dabnor however I have seen him listed as Sergeant on at least two sites on the internet. 
I have not yet seen any official records and I would like to know where I can find out more about them. 
He would be 88 this year so I don't think there will be many people around who served on 102 Squadron who would remember him  

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From Chorleys


102 Squadron  22/23 Nov. 1943

Halifax II LW333 DY-K op Berlin

P/O W.Hughes RAFVR
Sgt J Boxall RAFVR
Sgt WW Cottle RAFVR
Sgt FT Dunn RAFVR
Sgnt RA Dabnor RAFVR
Sgt RB Bainridge RAFVR
F/S D Willington RCAF
Took off 16.31 from Pocklington.Collided in the air with a 77 squadron Halifax and crashed as described (Halifax LW 264 KN-K 77 Sqdn. retrurning to Elvington from Berlin,collided in air with a 102 Squadron Halifax,in the Pocklington circuit,both aircraft plunging to earth at 23 45 near Newlands Farm on the York Road,Barmby Moor,Yorkshire).
In November 1984 14 oak trees,each named after an airman killed in this tragedy were formerly commemorated at Newlands Farm)

I shall see if I can come up with anything new-I have the same info in my Elvington book.

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Andrew,
               Because he was due for a commission at the time of his death, even though he was a sergeant when killed, his rank would still go up to P/O, this is why he is listed as P/O.

Just checked and have found that his appointment to a commission was on 10/11/43.
Alan

-- Edited by AW on Wednesday 17th of March 2010 06:07:54 AM

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Thanks for your reply
I remember my grandmother telling me something about him coming home on leave for my mother's birthday on 10th November and celebrating his commission.  I don't know if he was actually on leave then as there are no entries in his logbook for November at all. 
My mother was 10 that day, unfortunately she suffered a stroke some time back and now has dementia. It is difficult to get details from her but I'm hoping to catch her one day when she is in reminiscent mode because she does have very clear moments and the old memories do become very clear to her for short periods. She has talked recently about the other members of his crew and meeting a Canadian.  

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Deseasel.I would LOVE a copy of the photo you have of Crew if thats poss? my reletive is W.W.Cottle and have just(yesterday) found out about his death I have know idea of what he looks like but will find that out with your help and photo.Thank you.Edd

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Sorry my email address is edwardo1 at talktalk.net again thank you.Edd

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DABNOR, ROY ALFRED. Pilot Officer (Wireless Operator/Air Gunner), 162864.
Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. 102 Squadron, Royal Air Force.
Died Monday 22 November 1943. Aged 21.
Son of Alfred Harry Peter and Sarah Dabnor of Knockholt, Kent.
Buried St. Katherines Churchyard, Knockholt, Kent.
Grave Ref: North West of church.
Roy had been amongst the seven man crew on Halifax bomber LW333 DY-K,
when it took off from R.A.F. Pocklington, North Yorkshire at 1631 hours on 21
November 1943. Halifax bomber LW333 DY-K was being flown on the mission by
24 year old Pilot Officer (Pilot), Walter Hughes of Walton, Liverpool, Lancashire.
The Halifax was amongst a force of 764 aircraft which was comprised of 469
Lancasters, 234 Halifaxes, 50 Stirlings, and 11 Mosquitos that were taking part
on a raid on Berlin, Germany. The raid on the night of 21/22 November 1943,
was carried out by the larges force of R.A.F. aircraft that had been sent to Berlin
at that time, and was also the last raid in which Stirlings were sent to Germany.
Bad weather kept most of the German night fighters on the ground, and the
bomber force was able to take a relatively 'straight in, straight out' route to the
target without suffering undue loss of aircraft or life. Of the 26 aircraft that were
lost on the mission to Berlin, 11 were Lancasters, 10 Halifaxes, and 5 Stirlings.
Berlin had been completely cloud covered, and returning bomber crews could
only estimate that the marking and bombing was accurate. It was later revealed
that the mission which cost Roy his life, was in fact the most effective raid on
Berlin during the Second World War. A vast area of destruction stretched from
the central districts of the city westwards across the mainly residential areas of
Tiergarten and Charlottenburg, to the separate suburb city of Spandau. Because
of the dry weather conditions, several 'firestorm' areas were reported, and the
following day a German aircraft measured the height of the smoke cloud as
reaching 6,000 metres (almost 19,000 feet). It was estimated that approximately
175,000 people were bombed out as the result of the raid. Interesting entries
among the lists of buildings destroyed or severely damaged are:- Thehe Kaiser-
Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche (the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church) in West Berlin,
the Charlottenburg Castle, the Berlin Zoo, much of the Unter den Linden, the
British, French, Italian and Japanese embassies, the Ministry of Weapons and
Munitions, the Waffen SS Administrative College, and the barracks of the
Imperial Guard at Spandau. Among the numerous industrial premises that had
been hit, were five factories of the Siemens electrical group, and the Alkett tank
works which had recently moved to the city from the Ruhr. Roys aircraft was not
lost due to enemy action, as it collided in the air with a 77 Squadron, R.A.F.
Halifax bomber (LW 264 KN-K) in the Pocklington circuit, which was returning to
R.A.F. Elvington North Yorkshire from the same raid on Berlin. Both of the
aircraft crashed at 2345 hours, near Newlands Farm on the York Road, Barmby
Moor, Yorkshire. In November 1984 fourteen oak trees, each of which was
named after an airman killed in the above tragedy, were formerly commemorated
at Newlands Farm. Formerly a Sergeant (Wireless Operator/Air Gunner), Roy
was commisioned as a Pilot Officer, R.A.F. (V.R.) on 10 November 1943i,

Source:

http://www.kentfallen.com/PDF%20REPORTS/KNOCKHOLT%20LYCH%20GATE.pdf

Mike H

 



-- Edited by MikeH on Wednesday 17th of August 2011 12:02:35 AM

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RE: Halifax collision 22/23 November 1943-Air Gunner - F/Sgt David Willington RCAF (R/138346)
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Hi, 

F/Sgt David Willington who was killed in the collision on November 22, 1943 was my Great Uncle. I am trying to find out if there are any photos of the David with crew from Halifax LW333. I have 2 photos of him and I have been researching the story for my family tree.

Thank you,

Cynthia

 



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