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Greetings all.

I stumbled upon this forum recently and was delighted to make contact with the sons of two Path Finders who served alongside my late father, Kenneth Grantham DFM.

It would be great to know if anyone else on the forum is related to an ex 35 sqdn member or knows of someone who is and who might be interested in exchanging details, photo's etc. My father kept a very comprehensive diary and, before he died, we undertook a lot of research which I would be happy to share.

I would also like to know of any groundcrew who might be able to share their experiences.

Here's hoping

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I have a relative, william percival who was part of s/l Jagger's crew in Hx324 who were killed on 21/1/1944 on the magdeburg raid. Three survived and four were killed.
The aircraft was attacked near Rehbeck by a nightfighter.

There is also a book about 35sqn which I will find and send the isbn and title to you.

Regards

Kevin stevens

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Hi,

My father was Flt Allan Ball DFC. He was 77 Squadron then 35 Squadron, when he volunteered for Pathfinders. He was wireless operator, and  used to fly mostly with "Dixie" Dean. His plane marking was TL-M for mother.

He unfortunately stood in for another who was ill, on a Berlin raid on 23rd August 1943. His plane was shot down and he was very badly wounded with mainly head injuries. He was taken to hospital in Germany then sent to Stalagluft 3 (Sagan). He was repatriated on the Gripsholme from Sweden in 1944 due to his injuries. He then went to East Grinstead to be a "Guinea Pig" for plastic surgery.

He had always kept his interest in the pathfinders alive and was a member of the Pathfinder Association Council. We used to attend the 35 Squadron reunions at Offord every year, and the Pathfinder Sundays at RAF Wyton.

I have all kinds of things that my father kept, all the Pathfinder "Marker" magazines, the reunion of Guinea Pigs in Canada etc.

I am currently trying to put it all together. There is the most beautiful stained glass window in the church at Offord and the squadron flag has it's home there in the church since it was finally disbanded. I went out to the airfield and talked to the farmer who lives in the control tower. There are still a few buildings left and a bit of the airstrip!

Juliet

 



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My uncle Douglas Ferguson Fyfe was in the 35 Squadron 8PFF in 1943. He was an Australian rear gunner and was award the DFC. He completed 60 missions.
I would like to find photos of a Lancaster he flew whcih I can use as abasis to make a 1/48th model.
I am having a lot of diffiuculties find ORBs or other individual flight records so I can identify a plane he did a mission in.
Aprricate any information or ideas on where to search.

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amrmeaner wrote:

My uncle Douglas Ferguson Fyfe was in the 35 Squadron 8PFF in 1943. He was an Australian rear gunner and was award the DFC. He completed 60 missions.
I would like to find photos of a Lancaster he flew whcih I can use as abasis to make a 1/48th model.
I am having a lot of diffiuculties find ORBs or other individual flight records so I can identify a plane he did a mission in.
Aprricate any information or ideas on where to search.


 

You could try the RAF museum archive in Hendon, London. Here is a link to the site:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/

 

They hold all the records of all aircrew and the planes which they flew in.



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amrmeaner wrote:

My uncle Douglas Ferguson Fyfe was in the 35 Squadron 8PFF in 1943. He was an Australian rear gunner and was award the DFC. He completed 60 missions.
I would like to find photos of a Lancaster he flew whcih I can use as abasis to make a 1/48th model.
I am having a lot of diffiuculties find ORBs or other individual flight records so I can identify a plane he did a mission in.
Aprricate any information or ideas on where to search.


 I have the ORB for 35, will have a look to see which crew your uncle was with.

BTW, I hope you didn't already buy the Lanc model as 35 sqdn operated with the Halifax in 1943?!

Cheers.

Paul



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 Juliet,

Your father initially operated with W/C (Later G/C) Robinson on 35 before joining Deans crew. I only looked @ the records for 43 and 44 this time but, your Dad was on ops with 35 as early as Jan. 43, Ill look later in the 1942 records to see who he flew with then.

This is the time period which I had many friends on 35, many of whom flew along side your father. He must have been @ the top of his trade in order to crew with the C/O and a flight commander (later to become the C/O, Dean)?

 

F/O Fyfe:

The 35 ORBs show Douglas Fyfe posted to the sqdn. from #1484 B&G on  Oct.5,43. His rank tells me that he was most likely beginning his 2nd (or 3rd) tour? He wasnt on 35 prior to this in 43, Ill need to look further back to see if he indeed did his 1st (or 2nd) tour with 35?

Fyfe then crews up with Sgt. John and crew  and operates on Halifax 2s, then 3s for a short time, before converting to Lancs in March, 44.

Note: you're OK with the Lanc model! ;0)

Heres in interesting bit: W/O John & crew were a fairly experienced lot when Pathfindersons father began his ops on 35 (Kornegays crew).

They allowed Kornegays crew to fly their personal kite (ND928 TL-Q) on occasion!!

 

A final sad bit of info:

Both  the Fyfe & Grantham crews were on the ill fated Villeneuve St.George op on July 4, 44 when 35 lost both its flight commanders, including S/L Alec Cranswick..the best of the best.

 

Cheers.

Paul



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Hi Lizzie
My father Flt Lt Roy Horsburgh was the Navigator that night and also ended up in St Luft III.  I remember he used to speak very highly of your father and his injuries he suffered.
John
Busy Lizzie wrote:

Hi,

My father was Flt Allan Ball DFC. He was 77 Squadron then 35 Squadron, when he volunteered for Pathfinders. He was wireless operator, and  used to fly mostly with "Dixie" Dean. His plane marking was TL-M for mother.

He unfortunately stood in for another who was ill, on a Berlin raid on 23rd August 1943. His plane was shot down and he was very badly wounded with mainly head injuries. He was taken to hospital in Germany then sent to Stalagluft 3 (Sagan). He was repatriated on the Gripsholme from Sweden in 1944 due to his injuries. He then went to East Grinstead to be a "Guinea Pig" for plastic surgery.

He had always kept his interest in the pathfinders alive and was a member of the Pathfinder Association Council. We used to attend the 35 Squadron reunions at Offord every year, and the Pathfinder Sundays at RAF Wyton.

I have all kinds of things that my father kept, all the Pathfinder "Marker" magazines, the reunion of Guinea Pigs in Canada etc.

I am currently trying to put it all together. There is the most beautiful stained glass window in the church at Offord and the squadron flag has it's home there in the church since it was finally disbanded. I went out to the airfield and talked to the farmer who lives in the control tower. There are still a few buildings left and a bit of the airstrip!

Juliet

 


 



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Hi Lizzie,

My father flew as w/op in 35 squadron mid 1944-1945. I live only a few mils from Graveley and have photos of the last few remaining buildings at copmmunal site 4, to the North of the airfield.

I have also been collecting copies of 'the Marker'.

 

If you or any interested part wants copies of photos, or the magazine , contact me at prherod"at"waitrose.com

Paul

 

 



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Hello all,

I am researching my fathers brother who was killed in service on 24th Dec 1944. F/Sgt Albert THOMAS

I believe he was posted into 35 Sqn in mid November 1944 to the PFF Nav TU as a Sgt and promoted to F/Sgt on the 24th Dec, the date he was killed.

My immediate family have all now passed away. Within the family details of Albert were always quite vague, even to the belief that he was killed flying in a Halifax.

His remains are buried in his home village of Ystalyfera, some 12 miles north of where I have now set up a museum in Swansea about life in South Wales during the 1940s, called 1940s Swansea Bay museum. His grave is marked by a Commonwealth War Graves Commission headstone.

I'm hoping to get any details available from the 35 Sqn ORB or the RAF Graveley ORB, or be pointed in the direction of any other sources of information.

Many thanks,

John



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Hi John,

           The aircraft concerned, was a Lancaster, serial number PB366, TL-S, tasked for operations to Cologne, which crashed just after take from Graveley on the afternoon of 24th Dec 44. All on board were killed........

F/O  A.T Kenyon.

Sgt  L. Williams.

Sgt  A. Thomas.

F/Sgt  A.H. Cousins.

F/Sgt  C.L. Blundell.

Sgt  C.A. Winter.

Sgt  R.F.A Yallop.

I have a copy of the 35sqdn Operations Record Book for this period, and if you can let me have your email address via the whiteboard in my profile, i'll get back to you with any information on previous operations flown by this crew.

Alan.



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John:

 

If you look under the Bombercrew.com Galleries RAF Other Squadrons there is a tribute write up to Sgt. Leonard Williams done by Linda Ibrom and Matt posted a photo my Dad had of the tail of Lancaster TL - S PB366 in flight which somehow he procurred during his stint Overseas. This should help you in your quest for information. 



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For some reason, i am unable to edit my previous post, so here's some more.

ORB does not record postings of NCO's into the sqdn, only Officers. It does record Kenyon as coming in from 102sqdn on 12/11/44, so it's likely that the crew came in with him on that date. Only one previous op for this crew since being posted in, Ludwigshafen, 15th december.



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Hi all,

It's Busy Lizzie here. I have forgotten my log-in!!

Life has been really frantic lately. As I said I have quite a lot of things of my Dad's eg Flying Jacket, helmet etc also memorabilia from Stalagluft III. 

I always promised I would Keep the memory of the Pathfinders alive, so we have made it into a roadshow to take to the public. My sons and I have linked with the RAF Benevolent Fund and All Saint's Church at Offord Cluny, to raise funds for them both. The launch was last week on the 70th Anniversary of the Pathfinders formation.

We have linked with the village and have an

OPEN DAY

Offord Cluny Village Hall

Monday 27th August 2012

Starting at 10.30am

Visitors will be able to see the stained glass window with the Lancaster and the memorial at the site of Graveley Airfield, home of 35 Squadron. The church also has custody of the 35 squadron standard since it's disbandment.

In the evening there will be a concert of war-time songs in the Church.

Hope to see you there!

Julie

 



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Hi Julie,

Whilst I am only a stones throw from the Offords, I have been left with some difficulties after a stroke, so cannot make the event at the Church. I have tried to contact the organisers but no response. My late father was a w/op with 35 sqn 1944-45.

you can contact me at prherodATwaitrose.com.

All the best

PaulH



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Thanks for the information Paul.

Douglas was in the PFF until around Nov 1944.

Could you check your records to see if you have details of a Lanc that he fly in.

Thanks



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amrmeaner.
I have the orb's for 1944 and DF Fyfe is shown on multiple pages.
I can let you have a list of the entries, contact me at prherodAT waitroseDOTcom
usual rules on editing uppercase characters etc.

regards
Paul H.


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Message  for  John,  subject  Lancaster  crash  24.12.1944.  Is  it  best  to  contact  you  through  this  method,  or  do  you  have  an  email  address?

 

Regards,

 

gayford  Evan-Hart



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Hello  John,

I  would  like  to  contact  you as  I  was  a  young  boy  living  in  Gt.  Paxton  and  witnessed  the  crash  on  24.12.1044.

 

Regards,

 

G.  Evan-Hart



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My father, Flt Lt William L Breckell, was the navigator on a 35 sqn TL-L and only survivor.
Sadly he died when I was very young so I know very little of his RAF career before or during his time with 35 sqn. I did get some records sent but they are largely indecipherable.
I hope to visit the church at Offord Cluny and whatever remains of Graveley, perhaps this summer.

Any information or heads up on future events would be appreciated.
I have also signed up for this years Project Propeller.

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hello flyer45,
Roger
pm me at prherodATwaitrose.com.
I live near Graveley and have some photos, if you can't manage to get there.
Paul H

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There was an Australian on board, and his file is open on the NAA. These are from it.Report.jpgReport..jpg



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Thanks Paulh and AW,

Will get in contact. I understand from what I have that at the time he held the substantive rank of F/O but his RAF and Stalag papers have him as Flt Lt.

Regards Roger

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AW, I've not seen these documents, his statement whilst brief is interesting.

Was this sort of communication from PoW camps the norm?

Regards

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This statement would have been made out after his liberation from the pow camp. He would have been asked, among other things, about the circumstances of the loss of the aircraft etc. The attached forms are included in the casualty file of the Aussie on board, R.G. Perrett.

 recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=1075498  The records are back to front, so start at page 101 and work back through.

Alan.



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Regret to advise the death on 14 February 2013 of my brother Roy Frederick Macdonald aged 92 years, who as an air gunner flew 40 operations with 35 Squadron and was shot down on 21 June 1943 after the raid on Krefeld in HR 685.  All the crew survived and were POWs until the end of the war (Tom Lane, George Darling, Peter Jackson, Peter Balsom, Don Alexander, Jimmy Rogers - see Ian Darling's book "Amazing Airmen" ISBN 978-1-55488-424-7).

Funeral service at Bangor crematorium, Friday 1st March, at 2.15 pm.

Messages or recollections to Mrs Flora Figgins, "Eirianallt", Lon Pant-y-Cudyn, Benllech, Anglesey LL74 8UF

Per asthma ad astra.



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Robin

Sorry to hear your sad news. Whilst I did not know him, my 35 Squadron research over the last few years has raised my awareness of the incredible commitment and sacrifice made by the likes of your brother.

May he rest in peace.

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Just found this site  My father was FLT Oscar Rees DSO DFC  He flew with pathfinders at 35 squadron. I have his log books so would be more than glad to share any information I have.

Contact me at: andy@ebatexas.com



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My father John Graham Walters was a navigator in 35 Squadron, July 1943 to August 1944, surviving the war.  I have a few photos and his logbook, would be happy to share.  His captain was mainly P/O Hardy, but he also flew a handful of missions with Jagger, Berndson, Hausvick, and Honey.

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My father John Graham Walters was a navigator in 35 Squadron, July 1943 to August 1944, surviving the war.  I have a few photos and his logbook, would be happy to share.  His captain was mainly P/O Hardy, but he also flew a handful of missions with Jagger, Berndson, Hausvick, and Honey.

Regards, Jonathan Walters

contact me at jwalters@norwich.edu   (in the US)



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Kevin, could you send me information on the 35 Squadron book?  My father, John Graham Walters DFM, flew with Jagger on one mission, Berlin Dec. 23 1943.  His logbook notes: "OPS Berlin.  DNCO. Bombed Koblenz. P/I U/S."  I'm happy to share logbook information with anyone researching 35 Squadron (and 158 Squadron, previously).

Contact me at jwalters@norwich.edu  (in US)

Jonathan Walters



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Jonathan

I have sent you an e-mail

Regards

Pete



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Dear PATHFINDERSON,

Do you have an e-mail for contact, regarding your father? I would like to include him on the book-tribute "Brazilians in RAF Service, 39-45".

PLEASE do contact me at: baumgartner_asv@yahoo.com.br

Adriano Silva Baumgartner



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Do you have an e-mail for contact, regarding your father? I would like to include him on the book-tribute "Brazilians in RAF Service, 39-45".



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Waledijaaz,

 

Are you answering me or are you also writing about the Brazilians in RAF Service, 1939-45?

What's your real name and contact?

Adriano



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Robin,

So sorry to hear of Mac's passing.

Tom Lane is a good friend of mine. I've heard many great tales involving Mac, from 35 and in Stalag Luft 3.

There's a quote from your brother in one of Martin Middlebrook's books (The Nuremburg Raid). Tom and I had a chuckle over this many years ago.

One final note:

Tom told me it was Mac who saved his life.

Just before bailing out ,as Tom remained at the controls of the burning Halifax, Mac asked him if he was OK.

Tom said he couldn't locate the release pin for his Sutton harness. Mac aided Tom out of the harness and Tom ordered him to jump.

Tom told me that he would have certainly gone down with the Hali, had it not been for Mac's gesture.

Cheers Robin.

Paul G.



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I am Pete Chicken an ex WO Flight engineer from 57 sqn and am trying to trace a WO RT Johns who was on 35 Sqn in May 1944.

He later flew with 57 from Nov to the end of the war.  I have the most amazing map he used on a raid on Munich in Dec 1944

to view it go to my facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/One-Night-In-December-1071392396250557/?ref=ts&fref=ts

 If you have any information about him please drop me a line at

p.chicken@btinternet.com

 

many thanks 

 

pete



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Pete,
A quick look at the operational records shows the following with W/O RT Jones in the crew.


30-Jul-44 30-Jul-44 Battle area aiming point E ND 691(M) W/O RT Jones
4-Aug-44 4-Aug-44 Trossy ND 928(Q) W/O RT Jones
6-Aug-44 6-Aug-44 Foret De Nieppe ND 928(Q) W/O RT Jones
7-Aug-44 8-Aug-44 Totallize ND 691(M) W/O RT Jones
25-Aug-44 26-Aug-44 Brest-Point Robert ND 933(S) W/O RT Jones
13-Sep-44 13-Sep-44 Osnabruck ND 933(S) W/O RT Jones
15-Sep-44 16-Sep-44 Kiel ND 932(S) W/O RT Jones

Hope it's of some use.

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Juliet, please check your Whiteboard for my p.m.  Kind regards, Patrick



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I am looking for the operational records for my grandfather F/Sgt TM Holder who was aboard ND701 TL-F that came down in the attack on the Lille railways on 10th April 1944 and was a POW for the rest of the war.

Thanks

Colin

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Colin,
here is extract from thev operational record books.


20-Feb-44 21-Feb-44 Stuttgart HX 332(S) F/S TM Holder
1-Mar-44 2-Mar-44 Stuttgart HX 326(F) F/S TM Holder
9-Apr-44 10-Apr-44 Lille ND 701(F) F/S TM Holder

Paul H
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I am in the process of documenting the History of No 35 Squadron (non commercial / educational project); if anyone would like a summary of a relatives' service with No. 35 Squadron and/or a particular aircraft loss, please contact me via the e-mail address in my profile.

Regards

Pete



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Hi Colin. Quite a coincidence for your grandfather and my father. 

My father was on the same raid that your grandfather was shot down on albeit on a Halifax Squadron (578). Shortly after that raid the crew were moved on to 35 Squadron and on the night of 23/24 June 1944 my father was badly wounded in TL-F ND916 (the replacement 'F' to your Grandfather's aircraft). Small world!

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....hello

 

My late father Paul Meredith Bown (please note not Brown) flew with 35 squadron from 01/01/1945 until 15/11/1945

His pilot was F/O Bolt a New Zealander who died only a few years ago - sadly I did not manage to contact the family until after his death.

 

I have my late fathers log book and am happy to electronically share this.

 

Mark

 

 

 



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Hi paul

 

Thank you so much for this infomation this will go a long way to futher our our search for our crew's history.  I would love to get a picture of him do you know if there are any sqn photographs?

 

Many thanks 

 

Pete Chicken



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Pete,
Very few photos seem to exist, the Pathfinder Collection at the Heritage Centre at RAF Wyton is a good starting point. Google 'pathfinder museum' to get contact details.
Good luck,
Paulh

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Thanks Paul



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I'm delighted to have stumbled on this forum and to see the posting from Allan Ball's daughter Juliet. My late father, Flt Algy (C. A.) Hewlett was a navigator with 35 Squadron, shot down on a raid on Hanover a month or so after Allan was shot down and he and Allan were good friends, at Graveley, Stalag Luft III and then after the war. Alan's widow came to my father's funeral. My father was very active with the Pathfinders Association and also with Pathfinder's Corner at the Hendon RAF Museum. His crew kept in touch with each other after the war and a couple of years before he died he managed to visit Nick Matich in New Zealand. Nick Matich, the pilot, evaded capture, his return to England is detailed in Alan Cooper's book, 'We act with one accord'. The other crew were R. Tully, Frank Dolling, A.E Tuck and A.V (Bert) Forsyth.



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Colin

Thank you for providing the information regarding your late father. I am in the process of documenting the History of No 35 Squadron so anything you can contribute towards preserving the history would be very helpful. If you feel you can help, please contact me via the CONTACT page on the website: 35squadron.wordpress.com

Regards

Pete

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Hi colin

i was thrilled to see your post! Your father was a great friend, such a lovely man! He spoke at my father's memorial service about the chocolate bar in Stalagluft III. I can be contacted at jcstockfordATgmail.com. I have a tape your dad made reading a book for my dad after his stroke!!

Did you know your dad had the bunk below my dad? Did you know about the pie template your dad made? I would love to know more! Please contact me!

you made my day!

Thank you for responding!

Juliet aka Busy Lizzie!



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