Can anyone tell me if/when a call sign was assigned was it given to the aircraft or was it assigned to the crew?. Also, Croft had a call sign and once again the question is. was the base call sign the same for every crew/aircraft?. Thanks.
I know that 109 and 105 Squadrons had permanent 2 letter call signs assigned to crews (probably the Pilot) that were transmitted to them in morse as a signal to begin their 10 minute bomb run into the target. This may have been unique to those squadrons since their operations used ground controllers who knew their exact position and plotted their bomb runs into the target, transmitting time to target information back to the crew. Regards Dave Wallace
Hello, This was explained to me a few years ago and I'll try to give my recollection... i.e. "WL" was assigned to 434 squadron, so there is WL-D (D-Dog), and I think 434 used about 24 letters from the alphabet. The end letter "D" was assigned to a serial number until this a/c "FTR" or decommissioned.
LK-801 was a Halifax and assigned WL-D, when this a/c was shot down then WL-"D" would be assigned to another aircraft serial #. Looking at some ORB's you will see a "D" or another letter beside a crew, but the letter always corresponded to the same serial number.
The crew for that night had the "D" penciled beside thier name for identification, the next night they may be on a different aircraft and could be WL-C or some other letter. 431 was SQ? also out of Croft.
Hi Alan, A couple of things re call signs. I understand the WL (434 Sqdn.)followed by a letter code assigned to the aircraft A-B-C-D-E- etc. etc. but this was Squadron identification only it did not have anything to do with the call sign. I will give you an example, my brother told me a number of years ago (and I now regret not asking this question then) their call sign was LAYMAN and the Croft call sign was BIGTREE, what I'm trying to find out is was the call sign LAYMAN assigned to the crew, in this case it would be the Badgery crew, or was it assigned to the aircraft in which they were flying which often as not was the Halifax coded "W". With regards to 431 Squadron coding, this Squadron was coded SE not SQ, so my brother and crew did most of their Op's in SE-W. It is my understanding that the call sign was used so that the pilot of an aircraft could identify themselves to the tower and visa versa. Thank you for your reply.
If you go to Google, then th Wickapedia, the online encyclopedia, and type in Call Signs, Aircraft, You will be able to read all about the signs which were created in 1912. Every country has a different set.
John, I got an answer from the 431 Sqdn. Nav. he tells me that he seems to think that each pilot had their own call sign, how they got it he doesn't know maybe they picked their own or it was assigned by the Squadron. He definitely remembers Croft call sign being "BIGTREE". at least part of the problem is solved. BTW Wikipedia didn't offer much in the way of a solution but thanks for the advice anyway. Bill
Much as I hate to disagree with one who was there, I think that your 431 Sqdn Nav. has remembered incorrectly. Call signs were allocated to bases and to units, but not to individual aircraft or crews.
As you have said, each aircraft carried unit code letters in your example, WL for 434 Sqdn, SE for 431 Sqdn, followed by a individual letter for the particular aircraft, as in Halifax W. If an aircraft was lost or replaced, the individual letter was re-allocated to the replacement. OK so far thats the visual identification taken care of.
For radio communications, bases and units were allocated call signs using a fairly complicated system which I wont go into (cus I dont understand it!) and by means of secret documents circulated to all bases. The aircraft radio call sign would consist of the units call sign Layman followed by the aircrafts individual letter mentioned in the paragraph above and its phonetic alphabet indicator. So your Halifax WL-W would identify itself when communicating as Layman W-William. And when calling Croft : Bigtree, this is Layman W-William. Call signs were changed for various reasons, relocation of squadron, change of base function etc. I think some remained unchanged throughout the war, while others changed a few times.
One last point. The connection between aircraft and crew was detailed before the operation in the Order of Battle and of course, on the chalk board in Operations, so beloved by film makers.
Alan, So to understand your last message, you are saying that in this case, Croft would have the call sign Bigtree as explained, OK so I think that part is taken care of and the Unit / Squadron in this case 431 Squadron, would have the call sign Layman and the only thing assigned to the aircaft would be the letter code in this case W -- Whiskey. So a typical message from an aircraft on approach to Croft could sound like, "Bigtree tower -- this is layman whiskey -- requesting clearance to land"
This identifies that the aircraft recognizes that he is landing at Croft and that the aircraft belongs to 431 Squadron and the aircraft letter code is W Sounds good to me. Thanks
Yes, that about sums up my understanding of the system, Bill.
Just as a matter of interest, Air Publication 1970 gives the official phonetic alphabet for that period, A-Able, B-Baker etc and W was William. The local variations would be worth a thread on their own! Everyone has heard of P for Popsie on the Dams Raid, and elsewhere there was Q for Bananas, Y for Naggin .. the list goes on .
This is an old thread but, hey, I have only just found the site!
Bill Heron got there. My late Father was a w/op with 35 Squadron (callsign COMPLEX) and was based at Graveley (callsign BRISHBRUSH)
On arrival back at base he would identify his aircraft over the RT by calling the individual aircraft letter (usually M in his case). A typical conversation would begin:-
A/C 'Complex M-Mother to Brishbrush are you receiving, over'
Tower 'Brishbrush to complex M-Mother - pass your message, over'
Final transmissions were always ended with the term 'out' NEVER 'over and out'
Although crews often flew a particular aircraft, it was by no means 'allocated' to them. Dad usually flew in M-Mother but, at various times, flew in P-Peter, A- Apple, Q-Queenie and L-London amongst others.
I have a 1943 'Secret' Navigators folder with the callsign and map locations of around 40 airfields.
RAF Little Staughton's call sign was "Breadboard" The Station code was "LX" and that would be flashed in morse when aircraft were arriving back at the station to identify it from from other stations in the area. I have read many accounts of crews landing at one station, thinking it was another, which required an explanation at debriefing and left faces red. Dave Wallace
Each Base had a call sign - Waddington for instance was Slangword. 467 squadron based at Waddington had the call sign of Mozart, 463 squadron also on the same base was Fuller. So a pilot approaching Waddington would call up "Slangword" control tower asking permission to join the circuit and land, identifying themselves by the squadron call sign, followed by the squadron code letter on their aircraft, hence:
"Slangword control tower, this is Fuller George (JO-G)" or "Slangword control tower, this is Mozart Love (PO-L)".
How the names were actually chosen is a mystery to me, though I read somewhere of some names with "fishing" connotations being allocated by a senior officer who had a love of angling!