On the night of 29th September 1943 my father Wally Smith flew as Engineer on a operation to Berlin.
This was not with his normal crew but was with Wing Commander D M H Craven as pilot.
I have the ORBs for his other 30 ops' but have no information on this one. Wally's log book shows the Lanc' that night to be ED 630 but that is shown as only having been with 61 squadron!
Any information on this raid/Lanc' would be greatly appreciated
By completing this Operation my father had done 30 ops whilst they had completed 29,so he went on to do 31 for his first tour! (see www.raf-bombercommand.co.uk)
Thanx the site is a joy to do not only for dad's memory but for all involved in Bomber Command. I now meet and talk to so many interesting people it wonderful. But it is also very frustrating at times, like this mystery, it seems dad flew in a Lanc' from another squadron to a target nobody else went to that night! I am sure somebody will through some light on it in time. Thanx for being there
Can't help with your specifc question, but I will share my findings about "official" records of aircraft assignments.
Most published lists of RAF aircraft histories are based on the RAF movement record cards. In my researches of RCAF aircraft in the UK, using squadron level records and crew log books, I have found many examples of aircraft moving between squadrons that were not recorded on the movement record cards. Also, crew could be shared between units when needed. This was often true when you had 2 squadrons with the same equipment within the same Group or Wing, and especially true if the two squadrons shared an airfield. Today we call this "aircraft pooling". It meant that if, for example, a group was asked to supply 20 aircraft for a mission, it would find twenty crews (from wherever) and 20 servicable aircraft (again, from wherever) and match them up for that one day. The first choice would be to use a complete crew with an aircraft from the same unit, but aircrew injuries and illness, plus aircraft servicability, meant you sometimes had to mix and match.
This means that your father's 30th mission is not necessarily unusual. Have you checked other squadron ORBs for missions to Berlin on that date?
Hi Andy, Bomber Command War Diaries records for the night of September 29/30 there was an operation to Bochum involving 352 aircraft.Of these 213 were Lancasters and of those 213, 4 were lost. I had a look at the operation for the night before, September 28/29 and the main operation on that night was Hanover with some others on diversionary Op's. On the night of September 28/29 there were also some minor Op's to Gelsenkirchen, gardening off Danzig in the Baltic but no reference to any Operation to Berlin.
Turning to the question as to the Lancaster III ED630. This aircraft came to 61 Sqdn. March /43 and was lost on an operation to Kassel 23/24 October/43, it had logged 308 hrs of flying. The Lancaster book I have shows no record of this aircraft being transferred or on loan.
This doesn't solve your problem I know but thought the information might be of help.
Andy, I typed in your Lanc. serial number and this is what came up. Please note the date, September 29/30 "1944"not 1943, but still doesn't make much sense when the Lanc. Book states "lost Oct/43 Kassel" but could very well be a typo --- it happens as we all know. I even checked the B.C.W.D. for Sept. 28/1944 and there is no record of any Op to Berlin there either. Bit of a puzzle to say the least. Good luck. Bill. Lancaster ED630 Information 1 Sortie extra to first tour with 12 Squadron