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My uncle Donald A. Robinson was a F/O Nav. on the Halifax LV841 shot down over Berlin March 24/25 1944 on a night raid.  I wish to have information on his service records and any other info. i can get on him.  Is this possible since i am his niece ??? and where do i go to get this?  Here is my private e-mail: liseviau59@hotmail.ca  Any info would be grately appreciated.  Thank you and God Bless these brave young souls that gave their lives for us.



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From They Shall Grow Not Old:

 

Robinson, Donald Alfred, Flying Officer - Navigator R.C.A.F. From Toronto, Ont. KIA Mar. 24/44 #433 Porcupine Squadron.  Buried in the Berlin War Cemetery, Charlottenburg, Germany.

 

Halifax aircraft LV 841 lost during Operations over enemy territory.

 

Also killed were Flt. Sgt. Dancey, Glen Allen, R.C.A.F. Wireless Air Gunner age 26

FS Davey, Leonard Gerald, RCAF (WAG) from Westbourne, Manitoba , Sgts E. Osbourne (RAF), F.E. Simmons (RAF) and O.W. Spourne (RAF)

Just a start for your research anyhow...

 

 



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Hi

information regarding your uncle can be found at the link below:-

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/virtualmem/photos/2760837

 

Mike H



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Hi Mike....I really appreciated the photos and the letter that was addressed to my mother (Elsie).  I remember her showing it to me when i was young.  I wonder how it got on the web but.... I'm very happy to have a copy of it. :)  Would you know if I could get a copy of this military record?  I'm sorry if i'm asking alot but i want to start a scrapbook about him and his life.  I want to pass this down to my son after i am gone.  I want him to know about his family history.

Thanks in advance and take care......have a great day;  i'm having one because of the info. you sent me :)

 



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Hi R. Fulford,

First of all, I want to thank you for sending me this info. Now, i have the names of the crew that lost their lives with my uncle.  So young.... If you ever come across more info. please keep me in mind.

God Bless and take care.....  Lise



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My apologies but I missed one of the seven members of your Uncle's crew on which he served as Navigator.

 

The Pilot was Pilot Officer Howard Walter Lossing, R.C.A.F. J89246 from Norwich, Ontario K.I.A. age 24.  It was his 9th operational mission.  Although the newspaper article on the one website states it was aboard a Lancaster bomber - the aircraft they were flying with the Porcupines at the time of their loss was a Halifax bomber - a B Mark III by its serial.  No. 433 Squadron was assigned the codes BM.  I'm uncertain as to the individual letter this particular aircraft was issued at the time.

Will e-mail you a nice pic off forum of one.



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Subsequent research reveals that the night of March 24/25 '44 was an awful night for Bomber Command.  No. 6 Group dispatched 23 Lancasters from Nos. 408 & 436 Squadrons joined by 90 Halifaxes from Nos. 420, 424, 425, 427, 429, 432 & 433 Squadrons for an attack on Berlin.  48,000 lbs of HE and 409,000 lbs of incendiaries were released over target between 19,000 - 24,000 ft.  72 crews Failed To Return as this was reportedly a night of severely high winds and the attack was scattered as aircraft were blown off course over heavy flak defenses. 

LV841 (a Halifax BIII) coded BM-H was one of those lost to flak with no survivors.

This may have been one of the worst nights of the War next to the tragic raid on Nuremberg (Mar. 30/31) a week later when 94 a/c and crews were lost.

What a terrible and sickening price to pay in terms of lives lost and lives forever changed ...

May we never forget that freedom is not free ...

 

 

 

 

 



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Thank you soooo very much for this touching info.  It made me cry just to read how many did not come home....  These boys must of been going through hell with the bombing, the noise, the termoil, confusion etc..... :( no  This was a big loss for alot of families.  I did read somewhere that his plane was off course because of the smoke (23000 ft high) caused by the bombing.  Yes, it is a very high price to pay for freedom.  I remember going to Ottawa with my Dad (when i was young) for the Remembrance Day Parade and how sad it was.  I also remember alot of people crying and it seems to me that every Nov 11, it would rain.

Well again, i thank you and take care.......God Bless



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Hi Lise,

you could try contacting the Veterans Affairs Canada site site regarding you uncles military record.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/help/generalfaq

 

Mike H



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Hi Mike, thanks for sending the site but i'm one step ahead of you..ha ha ha!  I sent in a request yesterday to have my uncles records from the Archives in Ottawa.  I should be getting them in a month or so (that is if everything goes well) and i hope.  I found myself a very interesting hobby and at the same time, i will be leaving something for my son when I'm gone.  I take this project to heart and i want to thank everyone that is helping me out in this new adventure.  God Bless you all....



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The Democracy at War site has newspaper articles from the war. Donald Robinson is mentioned in the air force casualties in one of these two below and the other is announcing his commission.

http://collections.civilisations.ca/warclip/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=5018020 Globe and Mail, 1945/02/14

http://collections.civilisations.ca/warclip/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=5020341 Globe and Mail, 1943/03/15

You can also get a picture of his grave here for a small donation. These pictures from the Commonwealth Gaves Photographic project are  very good quality usually.

 http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=2984384 

There is also some information on his Pilot, Howard Lossing here:

http://brantford.library.on.ca/localhistory/name.php?id=155here

and here:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=18404110

Some intersting discussion on the crew here also http://www.network54.com/Forum/261665/thread/1107787761/last-1271001588/Skipton+on+Swale

Relatives of the other crew members involved and you may be able to contact them.

Regards

Dave Wallace

 



-- Edited by dawallace on Friday 21st of October 2011 09:09:02 PM

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A little more on the R.A.F. Operations of that fateful night:

24/25 March 1944

811 aircraft - 577 Lancasters, 216 Halifaxes, 18 Mosquitos - to Berlin. 72 aircraft - 44 Lancasters, 28 Halifaxes - lost, 8.9 per cent of the force.

This night became known in Bomber Command as 'the night of the strong winds'. A powerful wind from the north carried the bombers south at every stage of the flight. Not only was this wind not forecast accurately but it was so strong that the various methods available to warn crews of wind changes during the flight failed to detect the full strength of it. The bomber stream became very scattered, particularly on the homeward flight and radar-predicted flak batteries at many places were able to score successes. Part of the bomber force even strayed over the Ruhr defences on the return flight. It is believed that approximately 50 of the 72 aircraft lost were destroyed by flak; most of the remainder were victims of night fighters. Needless to say, the strong winds severely affected the marking with, unusually, markers being carried beyond the target and well out to the south-west of the city.

This was the last major RAF raid on Berlin during the war, although the city would be bombed many times by small forces of Mosquitos.

147 aircraft from training units carried out a diversionary sweep west of Paris; 27 Mosquitos bombed night-fighter airfields and 15 Mosquitos bombed Duisburg, Kiel and Münster; aircraft of No 100 Group flew 4 RCM sorties and 10 Serrate patrols. 1 Serrate Mosquito lost.

9 aircraft dropped supplies to the Resistance without loss.

Total effort for the night: 1,023 sorties, 73 aircraft (7.1 per cent) lost.

 

What is truly remarkable is that even given the odds and these terrible losses, the aircrew buckled on their 'chutes and headed out to their aircraft again and again, night after night (and sometimes in daylight) and they did this unfailingly until their Tours were complete or they did not return ...  May we never see their likes again.  This Remembrance Day take a minute to thank a Vet- there are fewer and fewer left from the Second World War and the day will come soon enough when there will be none at all ...

The best we can hope is that by knowing we will never forget ...



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Mr Fulford, Thks for the info.  I did read somewhere about how they had called that night in March "The Night of the Strong Winds"  That was a very interesting article by the way. I hope i'm saying this right...lol.  I've pretty much checked all the sites and now i'm just waiting for some info. from the archives but knowing me i'm still gonna keep up with my research.  Veterans Canada site on Facebook also have good people willing to help out....got to know these 2 amazing ladies that sent me some info. in regards to web sites and links.    

Take care and God Bless  :)



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Dave, sorry to answer so late and i did check out the sites you sent me.  Got info. from a few of them ...Howard Lossing... I saved it and the newspapers also.  I did check out the 54 site and found some people looking for some of my uncles crew.  That was very interesting...and appreciated.

Take care and God Bless  :)



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Hi Lise

If you click on the name of Ernest Osborne's nephew on the 54 site it brings up the following email address: brianeves001@yahoo.co.uk

Also Rod Buston's email is listed on the post and he may have quite a bit of information. He wrote a history of 433 Squadron.

Good Luck!

Dave



-- Edited by dawallace on Wednesday 26th of October 2011 08:05:17 AM

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Hey Dave, i just sent him an e-mail on his yahoo mail and i even sent one in the Rescue 57 site or this site. I just can't remember right now because i visited so much sites that i'm kinda loosing track....(it must be the age)..ha ha ha !!!  Thanks.....will talk again.  Rod Butson is getting a booklet ready as we speak about my uncle...Very no extremely happy about it.

Thanks for all your help....

Lise



-- Edited by Lise Viau on Wednesday 26th of October 2011 01:17:51 PM

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