Thanks PFS. I presume that he flew some operations from the UK before 142 were split, part becoming 166 and the remainder posted overseas? Do you have full details of his ops?
My Father was William Smart Wilkie (Bill or Billy) who was a Wireless Operator with the 166 Squadron flying in Lancaster bombers, any information you have would be appreciated.
I have just found four pages of single side A4 handwrtten notes of a bombing raid to Nordland V2 factory, it decribes his pre flight routine, circling to gain height(with BBC on the radio), getting separated from their Squadron and then being escorted back to their group by American Mustangs.
It gives some details of the raid(how the bombs were not dropped), flying back over France and the Channel Islands whilst looking for targets with them returning safely home.
If you think this is of interest then I can certainly type it up and forward it on.
Apologies Barnsley, I see one of my siblings has been in touch already - I did not know, if you still have the informaton you e-mailed to MW a copy would be appreciated.
Let me know about the Nordland notes.
Regards
Andrew
Sgt Wilkie was the WOP in the crew of F/Lt Mansfield. The crew arrived on 166 Squadron on the 27/02/1945 and flew at least 11 operations before the end of the war. I will send you an email. B
I thought you may be interested to see this, perhaps you have a copy? It is a transcript (created myself) from the original of Harry's last letter home prior to his plane going missing?
Harry's letter home.... 25th November 1944
My dearest Mother and Father,
It is hard to believe I think so much of you, and write so little, yet that I do think so very highly of you I'm sure you doubt not and that I write little is a well proven fact.
Often my excuse for not writing you, has been I am busy doing 'this and that', but during these last two months, I cannot claim to have been too busy. What then, you will be wondering is the excuse this time!
This time, my Dears, there is no excuse, only a few words about the boy your reared.
I am sure you will know that for sometime past, I have been doing a little to cause death and destruction in the 'Hinterland' indeed, like many "proud" parents, I fear you may be inclined to stick out your chest and say "Ah! Our Harry is knocking Hell out of them' but alas! Don't be proud, say nothing and pray. Yes! Honestly pray to God that such works of man, may be forgiven.
Never have I failed to carry out any orders indeed, I anxiously await each coming trip, and I don't think I have ever been, what is generally described as being afraid, but sitting high in the air, watching Hell break loose thousands of feet below, I never fail to utter "God forgive us, for we know not what we do!"
Yes they are Germans and no doubt given the chance they would have done it to us, but unfortunately this is little compensation and certainly no satisfaction to my human feelings.
Somewhere down there, there is a boy who must love his parents, brothers and sisters as I love mine, and somewhere also, is a man and woman married and as much in love as Betty and I.
Is it right then to expect that besides doing the job as ordered, I should find great delight in it. How well Burns could have answered that!!
Some years ago, no, only a little over a year ago, I remember telling you Father that I could not understand people hating their parents. Your reply was "you don't understand that, because you never had a Mother and Father, only a big Sister and Brother" How often these words come back to me, each time more beautiful and significant, each time proven more true.
Remembering all that has been, that day I was dragged back to school, the smacks I used to get which hurt the giver more than the receiver, the many trips I had in the 'wood lorry' the time the man 'murdered' David and the million and one other things - can I be expected to feel the glory of causing death and destruction to others who may or may not have enjoyed the comfort of being well loved and cared for.
Am I soft hearted? Surely one is not soft hearted, merely because he has no desire to kill?
Writing you, of late, has been a toss up between a lie and the truth. The truth has at last won, but my head is not bowed.
Many there are who say "kill every man, woman and child in Germany" - how many, I wonder, would take hold of a German child and plunge a dagger into it's heart. Few, I am sure, I wish I could meet some of our handsome and brave types who feel so blood thirsty whilst drinking their nightly pint.
Whatever people may say, whatever they may think enlighten them not, as to what your 'brave son' is doing. God knows there is too much to be forgiven.
And why has man the will and power to make his fellows mourn?
God willing I will be going on leave a week come Tuesday, so you will be, at long last, having two more to feed for a few days. Two more did I say? Four more, as Riggs and Curley are coming too for their leave.
You won't be able to give them a bed, but will you arrange for them to sleep somewhere, say at the Crowne and have their meals, all of them, at home. Now there is no use saying this and that, they know they will have to sleep out for two or three nights, so that is that.
Betty won't be able to get all the time off so I expect we will arrive about Wednesday and leave again Saturday morning, still that, I'm afraid, will have to be arranged nearer the time. OH! Don't be surprised if we are a week late, Bomber Command have a peculiar habit of doing these things and there's nothing a mere Flying Officer can do about it.
Betty has been telling me about her correspondence with Jean. I am pleased they write each other, on the one hand you get 'all the news about me or do you? On the other it is so good to think that my wife is so well liked.
Betty has apparently been hearing from David. The glowing reports I have so far had about my Brother would make him really big headed if he heard them. Oh! There are some snaps on the way of him - again the work of "her nibs".
I hope you are all well at home and for goodness sake, don't start rushing about because we are coming. Remember me?? I'm still the boy I was 10 years ago and more !
Give my love to Jean and look after yourselves,
God Bless you Always, Your Loving Son Harry xxxxxx
Thank you for the copy of my late uncle Harry's last letter to his parents, I have been going through my late mothers letters from various members of her family this letter was not among them. I have been contacted by Ailsa Tavares this letter may have come from her, as her Grandmother was also Harry's younger sister. I hope to get a reply from Ailsa soon.
Good afternoon, I wonder if you can assist me. I am researching a mantel clock which has the 166 Squadron badge and the following inscription on the back
" Presented by 166 Squadron Association to Jim and Dorothy Wright To express our gratitude for all they have done for us and for ensuring that the SQUADRON
STORY and NAME will never die" Christmas 2003
It is a beautiful clock so they were obviously very well known to the Association.
Any information that you would be happy to pass on would be very much appreciated.
This was presented to Jim Wright, the secretary of the 166 Squadron Association in the early 1990s. His wife also played a large part in the administration of the association and organising the annual reunion. Jim Wright was a Wireless Operator on 166 Squadron in 1944/45.
I have been researching the crew of Lancaster DV 220 and found your message. Today, I was chatting online with the stepdaughter of James Yelland who was the air bomber on the night they were attacked by a night-fighter. I would very much appreciate any information you could share with me. In the next week or so, I have been invited to meet James' widow who is 95 and still very alert. I would like to share as much information as possible with her. Thank you! John
Hello, Barnsley I am new to this forum and I am very grateful for its existence which I only discovered yesterday. I am also grateful for your kind offer of assistance.
I notice that my profile shows me as Aircraftsman 1st Class, but I have no idea how that has been added as I have never served in the RAF. It doesnt appear that I can edit that section of my profile.
My father James (Jim) HARLE was with 166 Squadron during the War and I am trying to find out as much about him as I can. He would never discuss anything about the War with me and sadly he died in 1980.
His number is 1597027 and I have always understood that he was a Rear Gunner. My sister has recently given me my dad's Flying Log book which unfortunately we had both scribbled in as very young kids and he has shown his "Duty" under the following various different titles, UT/AG, A/G and M.U.G. - none of those suggest Rear gunner to me but I may wrong.
As far as I can tell from his Log book he was at 11AGS Isle of Man, the NCO's school at Whitley Bay, 26 OTU at Leighton Buzzard, Sturgate, Lindholme Conversion Unit and then 166 Squadron at Kirmington.
One of the photographs I have which includes my dad is a long panoramic picture of the entire 166 Squadron at Kirmington with them all in front of an aeroplane which I have always believed to be a Lancaster Bomber. This picture has the number 29977 at the right hand side and is dated May 1945. I have recently seen that same picture on a Website which quite shook me. That website is http://home.cogeco.ca/~dswallow4/Kirmington.htm
I have another picture which is not very good quality but it shows my dad and nine other men standing below the front of a Lancaster Bomber. There is no date on this picture but I can see that on the side of the plane there is a letter B and also the words THE CHOPPER INN
(I think the last word is INN but the picture quality is not that good) There is also a joke Swastika with the words SEMPER IN EXCRETUM written below it.
I have no idea when my father joined the RAF, nor when he left the RAF so I would greatly appreciate any information given, especially clarification as to what duty he performed when flying.
Hi, your father flew 3 operations with 166 Squadron before the wars end;
Plauen 10/04/45
Potsdam 14/04/45 (mission abandoned-Pilot ill)
Berchtesgaden 25/04/45
He was posted in to 166 squadron on 20/03/45 in the crew of Pilot Officer A. J. Bridge, an Australian. The Plauen and Potsdam ops were flown with Bridge but it appears that after that second op Bridge did not fly again and the crew was broken up. Bridge does not appear on the nominal roll for 04/05/45 but your father does, listed as a spare Gunner.
Please email me directly on mjc41uk@yahho.co.uk (do not use the wizard, type my email directly into your email provider) and I may well be able to assist you further.
My father was navigator in SQ 166 on Lancasters during WW2 Alfred Victor White. I had some information a few years ago from someone who had written a book on the 166 Sq. but I know little or nothing else. Any info gratefully received. susi.b46'hotmail.com
Hi, Sgt Raymond Hadley 658149 RAF was the Navigator in the crew on the 28.06.43. He baled out successfully. He was subsequently killed in action with the same crew on during a minelaying operation off France. I think you might have your Hadleys muddled up. Best Wishes, B.
Would you have any information on Sgt James R Whittaker, killed 29/6/43, number 1080547 buried in Widnes Cemetary ? His family was told at the time that he had been killed instantly by anti aircraft fire but subsequently it seems his father was told by a crew member he had actually died after his parachute failed to open after bailing out. Presumably original version to avoid distressing family.
Hi Sgt Whittacker was killed when his parachute failed to open after his crew had to bail out 3 miles North of Skegness en route to Cologne (engine failure). The other crew members survived their parachute descents but were all killed on a subsequent operation. Please email me on mjc41uk@yahoo.co.uk for more info. B
I am a niece of Thomas Luscombe and my brother, sister and I hope to visit Brittany next year to see the grave of Sergeant Radbourne and to gain an idea of where the crew of HE631 lost their lives. I believe an article was going to be published about the activities during the night the plane was lost. Do you have any idea where we could get a copy of this please?
Hi. I'm trying to find out more about my Grandad who was in the 166 Squadron as an Air Gunner.
Francis Howell (1581914). He joined the squadron in June 1944 I believe and his first operation was in the same month (Pilot - P/O Kelsall). His final operation was 26/9/44 (30 ops in total) I,m not sure if he did a second tour or not! He did survive the war but died shortly afterwards.
Seeking information on my cousin F/Sgt Laurence Felix McGuire, 1670598. All I know about his service is that he was lost 5 April 1945 in Lancaster ND 707 and is buried in Berlin. Any other service information will be greatly appreciated.
Dear Jim, could you please email me on mjc41ukATyahoo.co.uk and I can give you some further information.
Your Cousin was a member of the last 166 Squadron crew lost in action over enemy territory. All 7 members of his Lancaster crew were killed taking part in a raid on a synthetic Oil Refinery at Lutzkendorf, Germany. They had only relatively recently arrived on 166 squadron.
Hi thanks for your post. F/O Cameron was the Air Bomber in an all RAF airmen Lancaster crew that was posted to 166 Squadron in the middle of July 1944 although they did not begin operating until the following month. The crew took part in roughly 16 operations before their final one. The targets they attacked included Pauillac Oil refinery 04.08.44, Douvai 11.08.44, Falaise 13.08.44, Stettin 25.08.44, Frankfurt 12.09.44 and Steenwuk Havetle 16.09.44. The precise cause of their loss is not known for definite but night fighters were very active during the Neuss raid of the 23.09.44 so this is a likely cause. The aircraft may have been lost over the sea.
Hi, thank you for your post. I have had a very quick look at my records but I can't seem to find any Palmers who were Pilots on 166 Squadron, either during the Wellington bomber period (January 1943 to September 1943) or in the Lancaster era. Can you give anymore information at all? Why did you think he was on 166 Squadron? You can email me direct if you wish mjc41uk@yahoo.co.uk.
I am trying to find more information about a Flight Sergeant, James Jones who flew Lancasters in WW2. originally from Glasgow, still alive at 92 and we (my partner and i, his daughter) would like to learn more and possible some photos. We think he was with 166 Squadron
Hi there, my brother Richard Hugh Chittim was the pilot of ND635 lost Jan 1 1945. He and the crew are buried in the war cemetery near Munich. The tail gunner Carl Lillis was the only survivor. Last words he heard my brother say was "My God the main spars on fire". This is what he explained to my mother after returning home to Windsor Ont. I was in the room at the time and what a bad experience he had trying to explain to her how he managed to survive.
Denise I do hope you read this. My great uncle was on the plane that went down with pilot officer Boyce. It would be fantastic to have some form of contact.